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Old 08-17-2012, 04:31 PM
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Well I have the F900BT (updated to the X910BT) in my wife's and the Z110BT (updated to Z120BT) so I know what you're looking at.

If you use the voice control of the iPod in the F900, it's the same in the z130 and z140, but the z130 also has voice control of navigation. If you don't care for that, I suppose that's nothing lost, so you might as well get the one that has the built-in HD radio and traffic (Z140BH). If you have a smartphone, it'll probably have "what-if" situation navigation if you aren't using it much.

I bought the F900 and Z110 for the voice control of iPod, which wasn't available in any lesser units, and the navigation was a bonus. I would never recommend buying any of the Pioneer units with navigation to add navigation, not when you can get substantially better navigation for less.

I won't be back home to do any false-face DIY for several weeks, and getting a good fit will require you do make some sort of support for it even after you get it back, but I'll do it.
 

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Hey Wrathernaut, just wanted to pick your brain a bit. I've recently picked up everything i need to get rid of this stock non-bose deck and i'm moving to replace my front door speakers(existing blown). I plan on just disconnecting the rears. I've decided on the Kicker DS60's :

2-way 6-1/2" speakers (pair)
polypropylene woofer cone with polyester foam surround
1/2" polyether imide (PEI) film balanced dome tweeter
power range: 6-50 watts RMS (100 watts peak power)
frequency response: 43-20,000 Hz
sensitivity: 90 dB
top-mount depth: 1-13/16

My question for ya is do you think i'll need to pick up some zenclosure 1" spacers to install these or can i just slap them on with some universal mounting brackets? Think these are a solid choice?
 
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Old 08-17-2012, 05:13 PM
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Hey Wrathernaut, just wanted to pick your brain a bit. I've recently picked up everything i need to get rid of this stock non-bose deck and i'm moving to replace my front door speakers(existing blown). I plan on just disconnecting the rears. I've decided on the Kicker DS60's :

2-way 6-1/2" speakers (pair)
polypropylene woofer cone with polyester foam surround
1/2" polyether imide (PEI) film balanced dome tweeter
power range: 6-50 watts RMS (100 watts peak power)
frequency response: 43-20,000 Hz
sensitivity: 90 dB
top-mount depth: 1-13/16

My question for ya is do you think i'll need to pick up some zenclosure 1" spacers to install these or can i just slap them on with some universal mounting brackets? Think these are a solid choice?
I've never heard those speakers, so I can't judge at all.

You can always modify the spacers that the factory speakers are attached to, but they're not as substantial as the MDF spacers that zenclosures makes. For me, $20 is worth having a well-done spacer, but not everyone can just throw $20 around. (in which case, you probably should re-think your choice of car...)
 
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Old 08-17-2012, 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Wrathernaut
Well I have the F900BT (updated to the X910BT) in my wife's and the Z110BT (updated to Z120BT) so I know what you're looking at.

If you use the voice control of the iPod in the F900, it's the same in the z130 and z140, but the z130 also has voice control of navigation. If you don't care for that, I suppose that's nothing lost, so you might as well get the one that has the built-in HD radio and traffic (Z140BH). If you have a smartphone, it'll probably have "what-if" situation navigation if you aren't using it much.

I bought the F900 and Z110 for the voice control of iPod, which wasn't available in any lesser units, and the navigation was a bonus. I would never recommend buying any of the Pioneer units with navigation to add navigation, not when you can get substantially better navigation for less.

I won't be back home to do any false-face DIY for several weeks, and getting a good fit will require you do make some sort of support for it even after you get it back, but I'll do it.
Yeah my Evo is always with me and has good enough navigation and tells me traffic and what not.
I think Ima go with the Z130BT and save 150 bucks. Have some extra ccollege money or for other mods.

Just let me know when and where to send it and I'll send it. You'll only be needing the face plate right?
And it'll be clip on, clip off? if you give me an idea of how re enforce it then I'll do what I can.
 
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Old 08-17-2012, 07:25 PM
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Yeah my Evo is always with me and has good enough navigation and tells me traffic and what not.
I think Ima go with the Z130BT and save 150 bucks. Have some extra ccollege money or for other mods.

Just let me know when and where to send it and I'll send it. You'll only be needing the face plate right?
And it'll be clip on, clip off? if you give me an idea of how re enforce it then I'll do what I can.
Mine just sits on the lip that the buttons are on, no clipping, gravity just holds it there.
 
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Mine just sits on the lip that the buttons are on, no clipping, gravity just holds it there.
Interesting solution. Does the false-face have an extruded part so it can just hang there?
 
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So i'm done. A HUGE thanks goes to wrathernaught for helping me with this install. Of the whole install, I would say the flush mount is by far the trickiest and hardest. It took some force and a lot of drilling and cutting to get everything how I liked it. Everything else was straightforward thanks to the OP.

I've attached some pictures of the install below.

Wrathernaught - I took the HU out this morning to take those pictures you requested. I'm updating the doc right now and will send to you in the next 15 minutes or so.

The only thing I didn't see in the OP that I found useful was:
http://www.metraonline.com/files/pro...STASWC_web.pdf

This tells you how to reprogram the ASWC buttons however you like.

GREAT resource guys. Thanks again.
 
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Old 08-18-2012, 07:20 PM
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Detailed FAQ answers, for ones that are graphic-heavy or otherwise are cluttering the FAQ post.
 

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Can I use the factory navigation system with a double-din unit?
Yes. I have factory navigation in my car. I have a double din. They both work exactly as intended, except for the voice on the factory navigation unit.
Are you sure? My installer says I can't have the navigation and a double din unit.
Completely sure. Your installer is flat-out, 100% wrong. There are a couple reasons they'll say it cannot be done - they've never tried, or they tried with the wrong parts. The right parts are listed in the first post of this thread - JDM trim for 2003-2004, or JDM navigation trim for 05-07. The Metra kit (the *ONLY* other trim kit for our cars) doesn't fit correctly without modification. A proper audio shop can modify the metra kit to work, but it will not look factory at all - because it's the Metra kit. Regardless of the trim, you will lose the factory navigation voice without taking extraordinary measures, but the nav works just fine with factory nav installed.
If the shop still argues that it can't be done, give them a printout of the matching year from these two photos along with the message that you're taking your business elsewhere.
Here's the proof - both 03-04 and 05-07:



So why do they say it can't be done?
Because, both the Metra kit and the non-nav JDM kit do not fit with the factory navigation without modification.

The problem is that the non-navigation one is about 1/8" too long, and overlaps the navigation panel.

So what modifications are necessary?
You need to remove the upper section of plastic above the plastic shoulder/rib cleanly. Alternatively, you can send it to me and I'll do it for you, free of charge (PM me for details).

The process is detailed in this post:
https://g35driver.com/forums/audio-v...ml#post5858335

For 03-04 vehicles, refer to this video for modifying Metra trim to work with factory navigation:
 

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What's the difference between the Metra and JDM, besides the price?
For 03/04:
The Metra 99-7604 material match is very good, but the buttons are gray soft rubber. Also, the paint on the Metra kit is not as durable as the OEM/JDM piece and scratches off easily.
The JDM trim matches perfectly.
The 99-7604 costs about $150, the JDM about $320.

Metra on the left, JDM on the right:


For 05-07:
The Metra 95-7605A material matches extremely closely, but the buttons are still off, and there isn't the smooth aluminum edging around the trim.
The Metra 95-7605 surrounding material does not match, and the rubber buttons don't match.
The JDM Trim matches perfectly (as it should).
Prices are about $100 for the Metra 95-7605, $150-200 for Metra 95-7605A and $300-350 for the JDM trim.

Metra Aluminum-Look (95-7605A) on the left, Metra Plastic (95-7605) in the middle, JDM on the right:

 

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Can I put my dual zone climate control button on a non-dual JDM A/C controller?
Yes. The long version (with pictures) is here, courtesy of docron1. This is necessary for all 03-04s that have dual, because the Japanese version of our cars did not have dual as an option in 03-04, so the replacement trim and a/c controls were never made with dual controls on them. For 05-07, it is not usually necessary, as all my recommended sources for the trim and a/c controls price the dual controls the same as single, so there's no excuse, unless you can get the single for a much better price.
Here's the cliff notes version for the more confident: (heavily modified instructions from PeterUbers' original write-up)
You have to grasp the volume **** firmly and pull on it hard with your Man Hands®. Do not pull it any way but straight out. There are clips inside holding it in.

Once this is out, the rest disassembles down to the circuit board easily. The microswitch for the DUAL button is attached onto the board via two tiny little solder joints. Using a fine-tipped soldering iron, heat up one side while lifting and wiggling the button gently with a pair of tweezers. Alternate between each side to carefully remove it. Solder it in the same location on the JDM A/C controller. The LED is even smaller and is removed in the same way. Remember to keep it pointing in the same direction when installing, since it is a diode, and only lights up with the correct polarity.
Here's a video of the process of me moving a button from the old board to another spot on the old board. You would, of course, be moving from the old board to the JDM climate controls. I did not move the LED, as they're really tiny and I didn't feel it necessary.

 

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What are these "Extraordinary Measures" required to keep the factory navigation voice with an aftermarket headunit?
Basically, get somebody who's good with soldering and can build this for you:
 

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I have CDs stuck in my old CD player, how do I get them out?
You can get them out fairly easily, but your old CD player will be unusable unless you're very careful:
 

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Why do people have problems with the radio reception after installing an aftermarket radio?

The G35 has an antenna built into the rear windshield. This requires that the signal from that small antenna be amplified. This amplifier is not just activated by the factory radio, the way most power antennae are. It is powered by the radio. Because of this, the blue "Power Antenna" wire on the 70-7550 harness or ROEM-NIS2 has to be connected to a true +12v power source, not a +12v signal. The easiest way to do this is to connect the Blue (Power Antenna) and the Red (Accessory Power) wires from the 70-7550 or ROEM-NIS2 together. This powers the antenna amplifier the way it was with the factory radio.
Here's the diagram from the factory manual which shows how the antenna amp receives power solely from the radio, rather than any other source. This can be used to convince an installer to do this install right the first time.

 

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