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#108
01-08-2010, 09:44 PM
Jeff and liche are responding to phantom quotes now... apparently not from this thread and no one in this discussion...
But the fact remains (see below)
But the fact remains (see below)
I still haven't seen anyone (or heard from a source I consider reliable) successfully cutting MAF sensor wires on a G35.
We could go for days, weeks, months and years on and on about all sorts of things... but until someone shows that it can be doen n this car - its all futile.
We could go for days, weeks, months and years on and on about all sorts of things... but until someone shows that it can be doen n this car - its all futile.
#109
01-08-2010, 11:07 PM
Mike. Seriously are you that dense? Or just that technically inept?
Esepcially when you KNOW Toll has done it. And ESPECIALLY when you know the wires HAVE been extended before
Phantom quotes?? Those quotes are from YOUR post.
Esepcially when you KNOW Toll has done it. And ESPECIALLY when you know the wires HAVE been extended before
Phantom quotes?? Those quotes are from YOUR post.
Last edited by Jeff92se; 01-08-2010 at 11:18 PM.
#110
01-09-2010, 03:01 AM
Read and Learn Jeff
That’s a quote from an entirely different thread as reference:
https://g35driver.com/forums/4644692-post16.html if you are going to use it – at least use it from the original source (as usual you try to create drama to dissuade your ineptness).
It’s a phantom quote Jeff – I paraphrased someone and linked the source and you used it as a phantom quote for your bogus agenda.
Here are some quotes (and a proper way to make a point):
https://g35driver.com/forums/3936957-post885.html
https://g35driver.com/forums/4107348-post1135.html
https://g35driver.com/forums/4785370-post1686.html
https://g35driver.com/forums/4785391-post1687.html
https://g35driver.com/forums/4786113-post1693.html
Above all from this thread:
https://g35driver.com/forums/picture...-here-118.html
Plus a few people that have some of the nicest looking engine bays in that thread that have verbally stated the same thing (and even through your antagonistic bs I wont draw them into this mix)
https://g35driver.com/forums/4587890-post4.html
https://g35driver.com/forums/4587929-post5.html
https://g35driver.com/forums/4592530-post14.html
https://g35driver.com/forums/4644692-post16.html
Above all from this thread:
https://g35driver.com/forums/general...-tuck-diy.html
read my sig… then read this (several people have testified verbally in person):
https://g35driver.com/forums/4373127-post1304.html
https://g35driver.com/forums/4373136-post1306.html
So seriously… do you expect me (or anyone else) to trust a couple of complete dweebs (Jeff & liche) with zero real world accountability? Or the multitudes of references from those that actually have done engine bay wiring?
Run along and cut you maf wires little boys… there isn’t anyone (including you) that is willing to cut their maf sensor wires. Thus – this will NEVER change:
https://g35driver.com/forums/4644692-post16.html if you are going to use it – at least use it from the original source (as usual you try to create drama to dissuade your ineptness).
It’s a phantom quote Jeff – I paraphrased someone and linked the source and you used it as a phantom quote for your bogus agenda.
Here are some quotes (and a proper way to make a point):
Looks good Shane. Just a word of caution to those who might be thinking about doing any kind of wire tuck. DO NOT cut and extend the wires for the MAF sensor or throttle body. If you can reroute those wires to reach the respective components without cutting them, that's cool. There is a high likelihood of bad things happening if you cut those wires. Be advised.
Tucking behind the engine requires some minor extending/rerouting of wires (mainly ground wires and coil pack wires). If you see pics of the cleanest VQ engine bays, you'll see that the wiring in and around the coil packs and injectors has been cleaned up (extended/rerouted/sleeved). It's more of an issue with aftermarket plenums like Cosworth or Kinetix SSV but can still make a difference with an OEM plenum. Just be careful not to mess with the wiring for the TB or the MAF. Those wires are shielded and do not take kindly to being cut.
https://g35driver.com/forums/4785391-post1687.html
I think ill leave it as is; id rather have smaller wires branching out from the main harness as they approach the accessory / component as opposed to 10 smaller clusters running the length of the main harness before they reach the accessory. Just a matter of preference I suppose.
Also I do recall someone on here posting that both the MAF and throttle cables are not to be messed with as they are length/resistance sensitive. Thanks for the reminder nonetheless
Also I do recall someone on here posting that both the MAF and throttle cables are not to be messed with as they are length/resistance sensitive. Thanks for the reminder nonetheless
Above all from this thread:
https://g35driver.com/forums/picture...-here-118.html
Plus a few people that have some of the nicest looking engine bays in that thread that have verbally stated the same thing (and even through your antagonistic bs I wont draw them into this mix)
^ yup forgot to metion that as well. I would suggest doing it in stages. Also take pics / label things to help you get it back together. It helped me big time when I depinned some plugs just to look at the pic on my camera real quick to see how it should go back together.
https://g35driver.com/forums/4592530-post14.html
Google: Honda De-pinning.... the info that they provide saved me from unnecessarily cutting some very sensitive wires, seeing as how i wanted to sleeve everything.
Also, never crimp wires. Always solder them back together. If you are already going the extra mile to do a wire tuck, dont be a lazy *** by crimping. Do it right, do it once. And always heat shrink solder joints.
Use the heat shrink that has the adhesive in it. Gives a water tight seal, and keeps sleeving in place.
Never cut sensor wires [exp: MAF, TB, etc]. By shortening or lengthening sensor wires, you will mess up the frequency or resistance going through them, thus messing up the signal, thus throughing your car into safe mode. Not fun at all. Worst case senario: you will have to pull the engine, replace the engine wire harness, and have the engine put back in. Trust me, its happened
Any wires being extended and rerouted near a high heat source, wrap them in heat sleeve. Exp: AC compressor wire harness, oil pan sensor harness, ALT wire harness, water pump wire harness [i think i remember it being the water pump
, etc] YOu dont want the headers to melt those wires.
Also, never crimp wires. Always solder them back together. If you are already going the extra mile to do a wire tuck, dont be a lazy *** by crimping. Do it right, do it once. And always heat shrink solder joints.
Use the heat shrink that has the adhesive in it. Gives a water tight seal, and keeps sleeving in place.
Never cut sensor wires [exp: MAF, TB, etc]. By shortening or lengthening sensor wires, you will mess up the frequency or resistance going through them, thus messing up the signal, thus throughing your car into safe mode. Not fun at all. Worst case senario: you will have to pull the engine, replace the engine wire harness, and have the engine put back in. Trust me, its happened
Any wires being extended and rerouted near a high heat source, wrap them in heat sleeve. Exp: AC compressor wire harness, oil pan sensor harness, ALT wire harness, water pump wire harness [i think i remember it being the water pump
, etc] YOu dont want the headers to melt those wires.Above all from this thread:
https://g35driver.com/forums/general...-tuck-diy.html
read my sig… then read this (several people have testified verbally in person):
https://g35driver.com/forums/4373127-post1304.html
https://g35driver.com/forums/4373136-post1306.html
So seriously… do you expect me (or anyone else) to trust a couple of complete dweebs (Jeff & liche) with zero real world accountability? Or the multitudes of references from those that actually have done engine bay wiring?
Run along and cut you maf wires little boys… there isn’t anyone (including you) that is willing to cut their maf sensor wires. Thus – this will NEVER change:
I still haven't seen anyone (or heard from a source I consider reliable) successfully cutting MAF sensor wires on a G35.
We could go for days, weeks, months and years on and on about all sorts of things... but until someone shows that it can be done on this car - its all futile.
We could go for days, weeks, months and years on and on about all sorts of things... but until someone shows that it can be done on this car - its all futile.
#112
01-09-2010, 09:50 AM
In all seriousness, OCG35 may have provided the best clue into determining the cause of the issues his buddes were having. And that the problems occurred after "wire tucks."
As I originally said, wire tucks involve moving the sensor wires to a new location. And if this new location were to be next to a power wire which was conducting high magnitudes of current (especially pulsed) or an electric motor (such as alternator, fan, etc...), then those high currents can induce magnetic fields into the sensor wires causing fluctuations in the sensor voltage. Just as an audio signal cable can pick up alternator noise if its routed near a noise source, the sensor wire can do the same.
Hence the reason I asked for additional information from OCG35 which he never responded so we could further explore this avenue of investigation rather than erroneously assuming its the cutting or lengthening of the wires which is the culprit.
As I originally said, wire tucks involve moving the sensor wires to a new location. And if this new location were to be next to a power wire which was conducting high magnitudes of current (especially pulsed) or an electric motor (such as alternator, fan, etc...), then those high currents can induce magnetic fields into the sensor wires causing fluctuations in the sensor voltage. Just as an audio signal cable can pick up alternator noise if its routed near a noise source, the sensor wire can do the same.
Hence the reason I asked for additional information from OCG35 which he never responded so we could further explore this avenue of investigation rather than erroneously assuming its the cutting or lengthening of the wires which is the culprit.
#113
01-09-2010, 10:17 AM
there are tons of us with wire tucks - we dont have issue... the wire tuck is not the problem. And none of "my buddies" have/had an issue... lots of people I know (and several I don't) advice against it (as indicated in the post two above)... and people (that I don't know) have had problems from cutting MAF.
So back to the reality of it:
and just so it doesnt get lost:https://g35driver.com/forums/4800123-post110.html
So back to the reality of it:
I still haven't seen anyone (or heard from a source I consider reliable) successfully cutting MAF sensor wires on a G35.
We could go for days, weeks, months and years on and on about all sorts of things... but until someone shows that it can be doen n this car - its all futile.
We could go for days, weeks, months and years on and on about all sorts of things... but until someone shows that it can be doen n this car - its all futile.
#114
01-09-2010, 10:17 AM
#115
01-09-2010, 10:20 AM
Jeff notes that Toll has ALREADY cut his maf wires.
Jeff notes that ANY UTEC user has ALREADY lengthened his maf sensor wires (and ALL THE OTHER ECU WIRES)
Are they having problems? Nope.
Makes Mike's quote here moot? 100% yes:
Jeff notes that ANY UTEC user has ALREADY lengthened his maf sensor wires (and ALL THE OTHER ECU WIRES)
Are they having problems? Nope.
Makes Mike's quote here moot? 100% yes:
Originally Posted by OCG35
I still haven't seen anyone (or heard from a source I consider reliable) successfully cutting MAF sensor wires on a G35.
I still haven't seen anyone (or heard from a source I consider reliable) successfully cutting MAF sensor wires on a G35.
#116
01-09-2010, 10:24 AM
^^^ and you are clueless... it's all palin and simple for logical people... you and liche are the only two I have ever seen that claim the MAF wires on a G35 can be cut without issue... I posted no less than 6 (8 actually) that advise against it....
Please post reference to someone reliable (or just anyone other than you and liche) that say the MAF sensor on a G35 can be cut (dont post all your bs about other ****, just what I am specifically asking).
Until then you are pointless and have no business debating this = you lose.
Please post reference to someone reliable (or just anyone other than you and liche) that say the MAF sensor on a G35 can be cut (dont post all your bs about other ****, just what I am specifically asking).
Until then you are pointless and have no business debating this = you lose.
#117
01-09-2010, 10:26 AM
How about Toolboothwilley? 
This was on page 2-3. Now do those wires include the maf wire? Sure does chief.
Jeff notes that in the issue of credibility, all of Mike's references don't have one actual documented experience. Hyprocrisy at it's best
i've read that happening to many people as well...but i dont see how cutting a wire should be an issue as long as you disconnect the battery while doing the work on it.
Just wondering if you'd heard why it was any different than cutting any other wire.
I cut my whole ECU harness to wire up my greddy emanage, i'm sure lots of those wires are picky as well, just gotta make sure the battery is not connected.
Just wondering if you'd heard why it was any different than cutting any other wire.
I cut my whole ECU harness to wire up my greddy emanage, i'm sure lots of those wires are picky as well, just gotta make sure the battery is not connected.
Jeff notes that in the issue of credibility, all of Mike's references don't have one actual documented experience. Hyprocrisy at it's best
#119
01-09-2010, 10:57 AM
jeff is not sure how mike thinks hooking up an emange can logically not include cutting the maf wire.
