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Old May 18, 2012 | 02:37 AM
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Nope, just put it together like that, it basically just stops the strut from completely compressing so the wheel can't actually travel into the fender. It's your first step to replacing your suspension with steel bars! haha
 
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Old May 18, 2012 | 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by DrewDrew
Jeremia- second set is 2 and 3mm more aggressive. how flush did you wanna be? Willing to stretch or not?
thanks drew. well i live in ct and dont think streching a 235-245 on a 10.5 rims would be wise, is a 275 min for that rim? whats the recommended min for a 9 0r 9.5 rim for the front? ALso what is the purpose of streching? is that to bring the rim as close to flush with less chance or fender rash seeing how the tire is set back from the lip. i would like to be as flush as possible, lip matched up to fender. how big of spacers r needed with those setups i want? Lastly if i buy a 19x9 with a 30 offset like my oem 19" rays will the rim edge be one inch out further cuz my stock wheel upfront is a 8" and the rear with a 33 offset on a 10.5 inch rim instead of a 8.5 would that make the rim edge stick out 2 more inches cuz the offsets are the same? is my reasoning or math correct? again the setups i may buy soon r 19x9+20 with19x10.5+20 or 19x9.5+28 with 19x10.5+29? sorry for so many ?'s but this is my first project car(previously modded other toys) and just want to "get it" and be well informed of what im buying. thank you
 
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Old May 18, 2012 | 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by jeremias
thanks drew. well i live in ct and dont think streching a 235-245 on a 10.5 rims would be wise, is a 275 min for that rim? whats the recommended min for a 9 0r 9.5 rim for the front? ALso what is the purpose of streching? is that to bring the rim as close to flush with less chance or fender rash seeing how the tire is set back from the lip. i would like to be as flush as possible, lip matched up to fender. how big of spacers r needed with those setups i want? Lastly if i buy a 19x9 with a 30 offset like my oem 19" rays will the rim edge be one inch out further cuz my stock wheel upfront is a 8" and the rear with a 33 offset on a 10.5 inch rim instead of a 8.5 would that make the rim edge stick out 2 more inches cuz the offsets are the same? is my reasoning or math correct? again the setups i may buy soon r 19x9+20 with19x10.5+20 or 19x9.5+28 with 19x10.5+29? sorry for so many ?'s but this is my first project car(previously modded other toys) and just want to "get it" and be well informed of what im buying. thank you
No worries dude.

That math is wrong, as it DOES make sense when you first look at it, it's not how wheels are measured. The Offset is measured from the centerline of the wheel, the centerline will obviously change whenever the width changes, therefore the offset changes as well.

Basicallyif you have a 19x9 +30 wheel, if it were a 19x8 it would need to have a +18 offset to sit in the same location in relation to the fender.

There are a couple tire options you have:
245/35 and 275/30
245/35 and 275/35
255/35 and 275/35

Personally I would go with the 245/35 and 275/35.

Pick the lower offset set up 19x9 +20 and 19x10.5 +20, find a local fender roller and have him roll your rear fenders. You should then have enough room for a 8-10mm spacer in the back. The front you have a fair bit of room and you should be able to get a 10-15mm without even touching the fenders. Remember to remove the screws that hold in the fender liner as they are often to culprit to rubbing on dips.

Any other questions feel free to ask!
 
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Old May 18, 2012 | 01:14 PM
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Looking to get some wheels that are 20x8.5 all the way around with offset +40 and 225/35/20 tires. I know it will pretty weak for my 04 coupe but I was just wondering will they work and look ok? Or will they look ridiculous?
 
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Old May 18, 2012 | 01:37 PM
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They will not look good at at all.... those are actually LESS aggressive than you stock wheels. I can almost guarantee you will hate them after about 5 minutes.
 
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Old May 18, 2012 | 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by 4DGS
No worries dude.

That math is wrong, as it DOES make sense when you first look at it, it's not how wheels are measured. The Offset is measured from the centerline of the wheel, the centerline will obviously change whenever the width changes, therefore the offset changes as well.

Basicallyif you have a 19x9 +30 wheel, if it were a 19x8 it would need to have a +18 offset to sit in the same location in relation to the fender.

There are a couple tire options you have:
245/35 and 275/30
245/35 and 275/35
255/35 and 275/35

Personally I would go with the 245/35 and 275/35.

Pick the lower offset set up 19x9 +20 and 19x10.5 +20, find a local fender roller and have him roll your rear fenders. You should then have enough room for a 8-10mm spacer in the back. The front you have a fair bit of room and you should be able to get a 10-15mm without even touching the fenders. Remember to remove the screws that hold in the fender liner as they are often to culprit to rubbing on dips.

Any other questions feel free to ask!
Any more ?'s u may have just opened pandoras box, haha. Thanks so much for the healthy reply. So of my million + ?'s ill keep it to just my mods for this Summer. Can u roll the front genders bc it looks like there is no flat straight lip like the back? When I get the back rolled does that mean roll it out the way or roll it flat? Does it kill the paint? I've heard of heating the paint and scoring it. Now what are the o,high and other disk ppl refer to? Next summer ill b doing sways, spc fr. And rear, coils,strut bars and akebono upgrade or used brembo/bbk
. Hinesight is 20 /20 and i would hate to sell my wheels after I get a bbk. So I'm not sure what disk these come in or ill need.
 
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Old May 18, 2012 | 10:31 PM
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Originally Posted by 4DGS
No worries dude.

That math is wrong, as it DOES make sense when you first look at it, it's not how wheels are measured. The Offset is measured from the centerline of the wheel, the centerline will obviously change whenever the width changes, therefore the offset changes as well.

Basicallyif you have a 19x9 +30 wheel, if it were a 19x8 it would need to have a +18 offset to sit in the same location in relation to the fender.

There are a couple tire options you have:
245/35 and 275/30
245/35 and 275/35
255/35 and 275/35

Personally I would go with the 245/35 and 275/35.

Pick the lower offset set up 19x9 +20 and 19x10.5 +20, find a local fender roller and have him roll your rear fenders. You should then have enough room for a 8-10mm spacer in the back. The front you have a fair bit of room and you should be able to get a 10-15mm without even touching the fenders. Remember to remove the screws that hold in the fender liner as they are often to culprit to rubbing on dips.

Any other questions feel free to ask!
1. What is the 3% rule for, wheels or tires or both? And what is my max?
2. Is running a 19x9+20/245-35 and 19x10.5+20/275-35 outside my 3% rule o thumb?
3.@ stock hight is a rear roll a must with those rear setups?
4. will this setup hurt my cars wheel bearings or hubs or excess stress/wear n tare? W/ all 10mm spacers
5.when u take out the screws for the fender liner what's gonna hold it up? Or do I just scrap em.
6. What else do I NEED to buy when I get my wheels? Hub rings? New studs and life?
7. Will a need a 4 wheel align and balance what r my stock and max Camber?
Thanks again, everyone has been very knowlledgeable and patient
 

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Old May 18, 2012 | 11:20 PM
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sorry its off topic, but 4DGS SiCK profile pic.
 
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Old May 19, 2012 | 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by jeremias
Any more ?'s u may have just opened pandoras box, haha. Thanks so much for the healthy reply. So of my million + ?'s ill keep it to just my mods for this Summer.

Can u roll the front genders bc it looks like there is no flat straight lip like the back? When I get the back rolled does that mean roll it out the way or roll it flat?

Does it kill the paint? I've heard of heating the paint and scoring it.

Now what are the o,high and other disk ppl refer to?

Next summer ill b doing sways, spc fr. And rear, coils,strut bars and akebono upgrade or used brembo/bbk

. Hinesight is 20 /20 and i would hate to sell my wheels after I get a bbk. So I'm not sure what disk these come in or ill need.
Yes fronts can't be rolled but often don't need to be. Just remove the two screws holding the fender liner in. They are pre rolled so they are very smooth as it is. The back that's the edg of the fender and rolls it UP. Therefore you go from this |_ to this || Which creates more clearance.

If the roller knows what he's doing and the car has never been painted/damaged in the the 1/4's then the paint probably won't even crack.

O disk and R disk and thing of the like are how far back the pad of the wheel is set, this will determine how much brake clearance any given wheel will have. You ALWAYS have to sacrifice a little bit of lip to run bigger brakes. Either that or you can order the low disk (big lip little brake clearance) and run spacers as long as the offset is high enough to not make them hard for you.

Definitely find wheels that are at least mid or high disk so you don't have to change it up too much when you decide to add the brakes.


Originally Posted by jeremias
1. What is the 3% rule for, wheels or tires or both? And what is my max?
2. Is running a 19x9+20/245-35 and 19x10.5+20/275-35 outside my 3% rule o thumb?
3.@ stock hight is a rear roll a must with those rear setups?
4. will this setup hurt my cars wheel bearings or hubs or excess stress/wear n tare? W/ all 10mm spacers
5.when u take out the screws for the fender liner what's gonna hold it up? Or do I just scrap em.
6. What else do I NEED to buy when I get my wheels? Hub rings? New studs and life?
7. Will a need a 4 wheel align and balance what r my stock and max Camber?
Thanks again, everyone has been very knowlledgeable and patient
1. It's for overall tire diameter and really applies to AWD more so than RWD. Basically the front and rear overall diameter of the tire needs to be within about 3%. But some have gone with huge staggers and not had issues.

2. It's right in the limit of the 3% rule. I've run 245/275 35 on my Z for the last 2 years with out any issues or VDC trips.

3. It's not a must but it's suggested.

4. No

5. The fender liner can be tucked into the lip of the fender, there is als about 7 other screws elsewhere that will keep it in there snug.

6. Hub rings are suggested if you buy wheels that come off a different make that has a different hub more than ours. For example toyotas hubs are 56.1mm where as ours are 66.1 in some cases the center bore needs to be drilled out a little. But you never NEED hub rings they just make installing the wheels easier without error.

7. I align all my cars once a year, alignment shops aren't really kidding when they suggest that as it does make a big difference in tire wear. and for the stock and max camber I'm not sure what you mean?

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sorry its off topic, but 4DGS SiCK profile pic.
Thanks man! Summers here, time for some shoots!
 
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Old May 19, 2012 | 11:07 PM
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^ i know thats right! haha..

I just bought a Nikkon D5100 but Im still learning how to use it.. I'm getting into photography thanks to all the PROFESSIONAL snap shots taking by all the SiCK A$$ fuccking Gs.

lest just say Ive been inspired to do it up here in VA.. So in order to do that i gotta get the ride RiGHT thanks to everyones help on this thread I'm hoping to get it looking iLL.

I'm running +22 up front should i run spacer? if so, how much? I'm thinking 10mm??
 
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Old May 20, 2012 | 02:20 PM
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4DGS, i was refering to the max/stock camber degree specs for our cars fr and rr as in - or + that way i can let the alignment shop know what to set them to, especially after its lowered next summer when i get my camber arms.
 
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Old May 20, 2012 | 03:33 PM
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-1.4 front. -1.8 rear. that's the max amount of suggested camber via the manuals.
 
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Old May 20, 2012 | 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by MPG35fiend
^ i know thats right! haha..

I just bought a Nikkon D5100 but Im still learning how to use it.. I'm getting into photography thanks to all the PROFESSIONAL snap shots taking by all the SiCK A$$ fuccking Gs.

lest just say Ive been inspired to do it up here in VA.. So in order to do that i gotta get the ride RiGHT thanks to everyones help on this thread I'm hoping to get it looking iLL.

I'm running +22 up front should i run spacer? if so, how much? I'm thinking 10mm??
What width?
 
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Old May 20, 2012 | 06:21 PM
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4DGS-
I want to blow up your avatar, looks like a nice rolling shot! Post a bigger pic, or link me
 
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Old May 20, 2012 | 06:52 PM
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Need new tires for 2 of my rims, i have 245 35zr 20 my question Is
Will any tire work that is 245 35 20? I keep finding tires on line
But they dont say 245 35zr 20 they say 245 35r 20 thanks in advance
 
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