Originally Posted by Skyline_G35

I am guessing (could be wrong) that your "most impressive" comment was sarcastic, but also, I have to thank you for the link to the video. I haven't seen that and it was truly neat to watch. Thank you. BTW, when it said that it gained about 50 whp, wasn't that without the intercooler? I think (could be wrong again ) that the video was showing stage I as stage II wasn't finished at the time of the video... But again, I'm not sure. I can say this though, I am so looking forward to tomorrow. I'll be picking my car up. I'll post my dyno results. Boy, I hope they are good though.

Originally Posted by BeerViper

Just for clarity sake, you should know that the Stillen SC is a twin-screw and not a roots supercharger. There are subtle differences between the two types.

Originally Posted by Gman2004

sentry,

stop wasting your time with this guy. I think you have posted enough info and backed it all up when ever you've been called out.

Originally Posted by G35_TX

What info? LOL still waiting on the rpm break down so I can do a mean average.

Originally Posted by Toptoneone

any vortechs out there going to step up and see if their vortech is faster? I wanna race one....dyno's suck lets see some track time.

Originally Posted by Gman2004

100 rpms break down? WTF breaks down their dynos in 100 increments?

WTF cares about 0-3000 rpms? What are you big into freeway on ramp racing to see who can merge the fastest? Are you into 1/8 mile racing? Give it up already. You may get a better start of the line with the stillen stage 4 , but 4 seconds later I will fly by you like you were driving in reverse at 100mph.

Originally Posted by G35_TX

Actually we need to get a full bolt on car with no FI to run you. Because per these guys mis-information that car will be just as fast as a Stage 1/2 kit from Stillen.

Originally Posted by Gman2004

this guys ran a 13.13 with bolts on and no EMS at the time. He was making 262whp and 252 tq at the time. If the UTEC would have been available he could have got at least another 20whp out of the car and definately broke in the high 12's, especially since stock cars with the UTEC are dynoing 270-285whp. So what misinformation I am posting now?


http://my350z.com/forum/showpost.php...11&postcount=2

Originally Posted by G35_TX

13.13 with a Z. We are talking G35. And he had drag radials.

Originally Posted by G35_TX

My car makes close to the same power his does by about 10 hp/10tq off. You really think I can run that time? lol

Originally Posted by Gman2004

a z is what 300lbs less? Take a few hundreths off his time for the drag radials. Regardless a G with bolts and UTEC would come close, read closely, I said come close to a stillen 1/4 times. Go back and read all my post I never said beat. All I said for the extra $4000 that stillen would cost, I rather have bolts and utec and come CLOSE to the stillen 1/4 mile times.




lol lol lol. what you say something about the Z waying less, but then you want to compare your G wagon to a G coupe? lol

Originally Posted by sentry65

ok well screw it. IMO people who drive around on stock cars with FI bolted on are stupid. Yeah I said that. Not enough traction. They spin out their tires and think it's cool.

I own a vortech car and I know how it works. It's not only good for gears 3-6 - I didn't say that now did I? I said those are the gears the vortech would have the CLEAR advantage in because those are the gears you're in towards redline.

You might not know this but each time you change gears, you're either a lot or a little closer to redline than when you first shifted into the previous gear depending on the gear. When you first shift into 2nd the car goes down to just over 4k rpms - the vortech is making 2/3 of it's full boost right there, the stillen is making full boost - but the vortech will increase while the stillen will decrease. So IMO 2nd gear is a wash between the vortech/stillen battle. When you first shift into 3rd gear you're at 4500 rpms, then 3rd thru 6th are around 5000 with about 40rpms higher each time. I can give you exact numbers, but they vary a little cause no one shifts EXACTY at redline at the exact speed

Stillen has a lot more tq on the lower half of the rpm band. The vortech can and does make up for it by using a 3.12 or 2.87 pulley, 3.9 final drive, and light drivetrain parts and some key breathing parts like headers, cams, HF cats, etc

yeah now you're going to sit here and say "WTH do you need all that for when the stillen has it from the get-go?" well let's see your wimpy street tires launch if the stillen had all that stuff? doubtful you'd get good traction. It works fine with the vortech though at launch because it brings up the launch capability up to the stillen level. What ground it loses in power it makes up with rpm speed increase and gear tq.

Then once you're on your way the car makes power cause all that stuff helps up high too - especially cams, headers, exhaust, HF cats, etc.

My car spends about an eye blink below 3k rpms in 1st gear. I really don't care if the stillen makes higher power/tq numbers in that range cause I have that area covered as is - I mean I launch at about 3k...remember the vortech's small tq can be made up for with rpm speed with launching higher. If I had better tires than my 295 ps2's, I could launch at a higher rpm even. I don't give a damn if the stillen can launch at 1500rpms on normal stock street tires

How's that for a street car? Yeah for bang for your buck for street driving with junk street tires, the stillen is great. If you want to go up to the next level the vortech is where it's at. If you want to really get up to the next level you get a turbo, drag radials or street legal competition tires and the whole 9 yards. No crap a full out turbo or vortech setup isn't cheap, so go be happy in your low cost stillen solution while the rest of us pass you with 100+ more whp

Tires are extremely important to me which is why I currently run 295 michelin PS2's in the rear of my car and am switching to 315 yokohama A048 or Nitto NT-01's pretty soon. Cause I think it's rediculous to run big power without big traction. So yeah the "stock car" hypothetical racing is stupid cause only idiots go out and buy a turbo and call it a day. Those idiots deserve to sit there spinning tires and be slower

I really have no idea what to say other than you have to look at the whole picture of how you design your car. The stillen system is a finite system. Not many people are very close to 400whp with it. People are making 475whp on the vortech. Most all dynos you see of the stock vortech is with the stock pulley which is pretty weak. Just changing pullies to the next size up will net you like 25whp across the entire board. If you run the 2.87 pulley, that brings power at 1000 rpms up a good amount. It might not equal the stillen, but it isn't bad either.

My car is faster than my dad's C6 and he has more tq than even a stillen kit at 1000-3000 rpms, and I still beat him without much contest with him having a mid to high 12 sec car and me having a low to mid 12 sec car. The key is I don't race at 1000-3000rpm's and a lot of races that happen in day to day traffic end up being from a roll anyway where you can just downshift before you go.

Don't know what else to say man. But don't listen to me, I don't know what I'm talking about and am just here to spread misinformation for the hell of it I am a magazine racer afterall with no other knowledge of car performance

Originally Posted by G35_TX

Another thing to think about.

How come Nissans are faster than Hondas with the same HP? Because they only make a ton more power above 4800 or where the vtec kicks in. But that doesn't help them. They are still much slower due to the fact they don't have a lot of torque.

Same thing goes with the Stillen vs Vortech.